DocsIrcLogDay2

docs meeting at dekspace http://wiki.transmission.cc/index.php/Documentation_Dekspace

hadzi starting time probably also around noon?
hadzi agenda for this day is to catch up with mick & saul
hadzi then to create with the mind map we drew yesterday one manual around publishing video online
hadzi documentation day event number two
hadzi we're following our rule from yesterday & are a bit lazy
hadzi maybe time for a lunch break & a beer on the roof?
and| we already started
and| an hour ago
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hadzi oh ok, so i should come over to you then ...
and| yes
mickfuzz en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Video
and| Exporting video from editing applications ready for encoding
and| ● Encoding video to various formats for the web including mp4, ogg and xvid
and| ● Creating video podcasts
and| ● Creating and displaying subtitle files to distribute online with your encoded files
and| ● Create a multi-lingual DVD using subtitle files
and| ● Choosing and installing a video Content Management system.
saul hi .*
saul documenting at http://wiki.transmission.cc/index.php/Documentation_Dekspace
hadzi creating the mind map now
hadzi for archive.org
and| http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#Uploading_Content
hadzi here are some mindmaps http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#Uploading_Content
hadzi sorry this link http://www.aliak.com/taxonomy/term/249/9
hadzi this is interesting http://www.proapps-hub.com/movie.html
hadzi this one is kewl http://viator.si/kinoko/
mickfuzz www.ourvideo.org/toolkit/
saul http://web.futureofthebook.org/mckenziewark/gamertheory/?
saul http://www.eekim.com/software/purple/purple.html
saul http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Numbers
saul all good references for distributed/modular documentation ideas
dekspace dean are you around
dekspace this is adnan
dekspace let us know if you're ready for a chat around pculture & documentation
dekspace of course if deaner is dean
Deaner Hey, I'm here
dekspace hey
Deaner hey, how goes?
dekspace good
dekspace having a good workshop
dekspace & you
Deaner great
dekspace how was the conference
Deaner it's still going :)
Deaner it's good tho
dekspace would you be round for a chat & discuss manuals & pculture?
dekspace so we would all dip in?
Deaner I can be on this IRC channel for now... I don't think I'll be able to call or skype in
Deaner is that cool?
saul hi Deaner
saul :)
saul irc is cool I think
Deaner hey saul
Deaner how did yesterday go?
saul there are lots of transmissioners who are not here so they can read logs dekspace good we're just trying to figure out when would be a good time to get all of us togehter in the irc
Deaner ah
saul I think the thing that would be most useful is to discuss what the documentation needs of pculture are
dekspace but i guess basically we talk about flossmanuals, mind maps, makeinternettv
dekspace & that
saul we are mapping out a strategy for sharing energies and efforts by making a framework for manuals
saul it's been a very interesting morning of discussion
Deaner ok
saul flossmanuals.net is doing some very interesting stuff
saul Deaner: have you played with it?
Deaner saul: no, not yet... gonna check it out
saul yeah, that would be good
saul it's a kind of modular system for manual writing based on Twiki and a set of plugins developed by adam hyde
and| mickfuzz:http://wiki.transmission.cc/index.php/Documentation_Dekspace#Brainstorm_ideas_for_Guides dekspace also as we're talking about online video & broadcast machine - how do you see the open media library project http://www.pculture.org/medialibrary being documented
saul what we talked about today was a modular method of using those manuals
saul because there are so many ways of doing the same thing - and they change all the time
saul it seems like a good idea to create a framework for keeping those up to date, and allowing
non-linear access . saul I hope this is making sense :/
saul kind of tough to summarise this morning's discussions...
Deaner yeah, sorry I'm not able to join by voice :(
saul anyway - it would be really interesting to hear about pculture's documentation practices
saul and plans
saul if any :)
dekspace & how we could join forces
saul http://www.matroska.org/
Deaner yeah, flossmanuals looks nice -- those are very easy to use
saul Deaner: have you tried remixing?
Deaner no, let me take a look
Deaner wow, that's pretty sweet
dekspace the idea would be that the manuals are going to be modular & can be used by projects with a specific "mindmap" or setting like makeinternettv
dekspace so we can have the teaching approach
dekspace put together a manual
dekspace but also the user approach
dekspace go through a flow
dekspace of how to publish video online as an example
saul just like how you select a creative commons license
saul starting with 'I want to publish my video online'
saul then you get a question like 'do you want to distribute it for free or not
saul then 'do you want it on a website, or for download'
saul and what you get is a recipe, remixed live from flossmanuals modules
Deaner ah
Deaner so it would give you a roadmap of what software to use?
saul basically we're talking about a knowledge packaging system
Deaner and a set of instructions for each app?
saul yeah
Deaner cool
saul and each process
saul modularly maintained!
saul :)
saul so it would be useful to know what pculture's needs and practice are because we want whatever we do to be relevant to pculture and related important projects in this space
dekspace the question would be then really to write the moduls into floss manuals & somehow keep people in the loop which could be done over the pculture network & transmission.cc network
Deaner so for instance, if I picked a type of video publishing I wanted to do, it could point me to specific portions of makeinternettv?
saul Deaner: yes
dekspace or the other way round
saul you know what your aim is 'to publish a podcast'
dekspace as make internettv is a method flow the modules would derive out of one repository which would be the flossmanuals
Deaner as in pointing someone to floss from MITV, right?
dekspace ye
saul or transcluding from flossmanuals.net
saul into MITV's 'help' section
Deaner well our documentation practices are pretty barebone for PCulture
dekspace can you explain us a bit how mitv works
dekspace mitv wiki i mean
saul Deaner: yeah. it's a common problem. Who has time to write and maintain documentation?
Deaner mostly because we try to make DP super easy to use
saul right
saul DP?
saul Democracy Planer
Deaner but I could see something (Democr
Deaner yeah
saul heh
saul Player
dekspace now miro
Deaner I could see this being really useful for people doing advanced stuff w/ DP
saul right
Deaner it's still actually DP, but it will be Miro soon
saul DP is simple
Deaner we're doing one more release as DP (in the next few weeks), and after that, it'll be Miro
saul BM less so
Deaner yeah, BM is a project that we're hoping to supercede w/ something totally new
saul soon come! :)
saul there is a whole ecology of howtos that are interdependent
saul ok
saul I have to shoot now.
saul later Deaner :)
Deaner check you later
saul good luck with DP and BM developments
Deaner thanks
Deaner so who else is left here?
dekspace we're having saul from theps.net
dekspace me from deptford.tv dek.spc.org
dekspace adam from flossmanuals.net
Deaner ok
dekspace mick from undercurrents.rg
dekspace undercurrents.org
dekspace zoe from ifiwatch.org
dekspace sorry ifiwatch.tv
dekspace james from boundless.coop
dekspace and from engagemedia.org
dekspace all talking about documentation ideas popped up at the last tranmission.cc meeting
dekspace guess that's pritty much it
dekspace we'll be around for another two hours
Deaner cool, thanks for the overview ;)
dekspace if you're in the irc for this time we might catch up at a later point or maybe have some more stuff to discuss
dekspace guess our cut off point is at 5.30pm
dekspace uk time
Deaner ok
dekspace laters
dekspace ;_0
Deaner check ya later
dekspace ;-)
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hadzi hm
hadzi feel like a beer
and| hey deaner
and| just saying my hellos Deaner yo
dekspace we're wraping up now
dekspace so well have a closing discussion - ok with you?
Deaner roger that, I'll get in touch w/ you a little later
dekspace when?
Deaner yeah, sure
Deaner friday this week might work for me
Deaner you available then?
Deaner can we play it by ear a little bit?
and| I'll read through the logs here, but as I am not driving the docs project am guessing Mick or Adam or Adnan will stay in contact
and| a few of us are quite often in here
dekspace me not really
dekspace email is the best for me
Deaner ok, just send me some mail then :)
Deaner any time is good
dekspace kewl
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hadzi http://knowhow.access-space.org/
hadzi another interesting link