Showinabox IRC Notes

[02:10] zoeyoung_: next is jay dedman with show in a box
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[02:21] zoeyoung_: using wordress to make work lopok good
[02:21] zoeyoung_: for artists
[02:21] zoeyoung_: jay and ryan from arts background
[02:21] harcesz: show in a box
[02:21] zoeyoung_: wordpress has diaary format
[02:21] zoeyoung_: 4 month old vid gets buried
[02:21] zoeyoung_: but that's not right because it might be still relevanrt tofday
[02:21] zoeyoung_: wordpress created for text mainly
[02:21] zoeyoung_: they are tryinmg to change that
[02:21] harcesz: http://showinabox.tv/
[02:22] zoeyoung_: important for visual creators to get involved
[02:22] zoeyoung_: need to think about what a Vvisual project iseach has own logic,
[02:22] zoeyoung_: often doesn;t fit well in a diary format
[02:22] zoeyoung_: sustainable route.com
[02:22] zoeyoung_: example
[02:22] zoeyoung_: interviews with organic farmers and others
[02:22] zoeyoung_: asking what is soemthing green or sustainable
[02:23] zoeyoung_: format of presentation is wrong
[02:23] zoeyoung_: presents project in linear format
[02:23] zoeyoung_: but now it's over, needs to be presented better
[02:24] zoeyoung_: how to improve without knoweing code
[02:24] zoeyoung_: lostinlight transfer super8 to digital format and upload it
[02:24] zoeyoung_: lostinglight.org
[02:24] zoeyoung_: lostinlight.org
[02:24] zoeyoung_: again, diaryt form not suiting beautiful art
[02:25] zoeyoung_: talented people running site, talented people but not coders
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[02:25] zoeyoung_: no npics on the site
[02:25] zoeyoung_: swajana.com
[02:25] zoeyoung_: project in india, people have camera, ay and others set them up with camera and how to edit
[02:26] zoeyoung_: every week for a year they made a report on their local world
[02:26] zoeyoung_: shadowworld
[02:26] zoeyoung_: underthe??"blogspot.com
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[02:27] zoeyoung_: \guy living under a train bridge in philadelphia
[02:27] zoeyoung_: forgotten part of town
[02:27] zoeyoung_: interviews with people
[02:27] zoeyoung_: would play well as big piece, or online, but n ot working in diary format
[02:27] zoeyoung_: showinabox wants to help these people
[02:27] zoeyoung_: colombian migration project
[02:28] zoeyoung_: interviews with colombians wanting to move to US
[02:28] zoeyoung_: then intervioews with people in US who have moved
[02:28] zoeyoung_: project looks better
[02:28] zoeyoung_: a gallery of images
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[02:28] zoeyoung_: but she knew someone who could build and html site
[02:29] zoeyoung_: a lot of artists need coder friendsw to get thyeir stuff lookibng good
[02:29] zoeyoung_: need to build a road for the artsists
[02:29] zoeyoung_: they will make open source look good
[02:29] zoeyoung_: they'll use 9t if it makes them look good
[02:29] zoeyoung_: everyone wants to be part of something that looks and feels good
[02:29] zoeyoung_: that tells the right stories
[02:30] zoeyoung_: showinabox started in september
[02:30] zoeyoung_: working on plugins and themes
[02:30] zoeyoung_: former add functionality
[02:30] zoeyoung_: latter affect presentation style
[02:30] zoeyoung_: superalpha site is ryanishungry.com
[02:30] zoeyoung_: interviewing people raising chickens etc
[02:30] zoeyoung_: vpip.org
[02:31] zoeyoung_: videos playing in place
[02:31] zoeyoung_: allows posting of multiple formats
[02:31] zoeyoung_: play any format you want in same place on page
[02:31] zoeyoung_: no other player allows that
[02:31] zoeyoung_: user can choose formt depending on their player, browser, whatever
[02:32] zoeyoung_: embed code for cortado is not as good as the others
[02:32] zoeyoung_: not easy to use for many people
[02:32] zoeyoung_: have to approove certificate
[02:32] zoeyoung_: and there's a delay
[02:32] zoeyoung_: with no explanation
[02:32] zoeyoung_: with ogg
[02:32] zoeyoung_: and it freezes ryan's broiwser
[02:33] zoeyoung_: vpip.org
[02:33] zoeyoung_: javasoft rewriting which invokes tags?? andycat knows
[02:34] zoeyoung_: vpip has a javascript share button
[02:34] zoeyoung_: alllowing embedding
[02:34] zoeyoung_: along with the various format options
[02:34] zoeyoung_: and the share tool again... infinite sharing
[02:34] zoeyoung_: \allows customising
[02:34] zoeyoung_: vpip has widget in wordpress that lets you publish RSS feeds in any format
[02:35] zoeyoung_: makes feeds automatically
[02:35] zoeyoung_: user doesn;thave to know the stuff
[02:35] zoeyoung_: about making it work
[02:35] zoeyoung_: anothger cool featyure
[02:35] zoeyoung_: when posting a video, can associate it with rellated vid
[02:36] zoeyoung_: choose it yourselfm, not automaic by keyword, because artists are finicky
[02:37] zoeyoung_: andf can link to opthers' videos
[02:37] zoeyoung_: recent videos at the bottom of the page
[02:37] zoeyoung_: pulling in thumbnails
[02:37] zoeyoung_: aiming for a lot of visual info on the opage to get ppl clicking around
[02:38] zoeyoung_: each project needs a different way to play with thumbnails and be associated witheach other
[02:38] zoeyoung_: visual organisation of archive also
[02:38] zoeyoung_: not just month and year
[02:38] zoeyoung_: but thumbnal and start of description
[02:38] zoeyoung_: when you serarch, would like results to come out looking like the archive rather than the full posts
[02:39] zoeyoung_: want creators to come to showinabox download
[02:39] zoeyoung_: and install that
[02:39] zoeyoung_: they are making a visual tutiorial
[02:40] zoeyoung_: alsready got one on installuing wordpress
[02:40] zoeyoung_: moving towards themes eg roadtrip, archive etc
[02:40] zoeyoung_: which presents pages vertain wayys
[02:40] zoeyoung_: then artists just need to fill in blanks with text and thumbnails
[02:40] zoeyoung_: all these pugins are available
[02:41] zoeyoung_: xml dump of all the thumbnails an idea, to allow developers to play arounbd
[02:41] zoeyoung_: video makers might not know that this desire to play is out there
[02:41] zoeyoung_: e-mail list is on the site to enable discussion among artsistm, developers etc
[02:42] zoeyoung_: artists encouraged to doi sketches iof how they'd like the site to look
[02:42] zoeyoung_: or could be pohotoshop
[02:44] zoeyoung_: value oif this approach is the user can crate contecxt, has control unlike with youtube
[02:44] zoeyoung_: and successbreeds success with this technology
[02:44] zoeyoung_: advantage of wordprs
[02:44] zoeyoung_: e
[02:44] zoeyoung_: press
[02:44] zoeyoung_: ios that it's easy to make it look good
[02:44] zoeyoung_: doesn;t seem to be able to develop ma community of people working on same site
[02:45] zoeyoung_: as with drupal, easy to organise by users
[02:45] zoeyoung_: q id, is it moving that way in wordpress?
[02:45] zoeyoung_: multi-user wordpress is in existence
[02:45] zoeyoung_: all about people helping to build
[02:46] zoeyoung_: wordpress is behind plone etc
[02:47] zoeyoung_: all the tools can output stuff in a way that be used on other sites
[02:47] zoeyoung_: using metadata standard and creative commons licenses
[02:47] zoeyoung_: showinabox is a volunteer army
[02:47] zoeyoung_: giving people info, pointing them to help and media
[02:48] zoeyoung_: b uilding things for people
[02:48] zoeyoung_: ryan and jay started with blogger, moved to wordpress, scratchingh own itch
[02:48] zoeyoung_: needing thumbnails etc
[02:48] zoeyoung_: showinabox.pbwiki.com
[02:49] zoeyoung_: looking for help,. engage on the wiki
[02:49] zoeyoung_: come and talk to them
[02:49] zoeyoung_: want to take home tx stories and share...
[02:49] zoeyoung_: u0ploading to blip.tv
[02:49] zoeyoung_: who respect cc licenses
[02:49] zoeyoung_: and keep your original format
[02:50] zoeyoung_: bliptv transcode flash, ryan does her own cos she doesn;t like it at 15 frames per second
[02:50] zoeyoung_: but they do it for you at bliptv
[02:51] zoeyoung_: but not from ogg
[02:51] zoeyoung_: might be on paid person
[02:51] zoeyoung_: sandbox.ryanishungry.com/wordpress
[02:52] zoeyoung_: paid VERSION, sorry
[02:52] zoeyoung_: artsists like to chooxse their own thumbnail image
[02:53] zoeyoung_: poster image can be differernt
[02:53] zoeyoung_: wordpress mkes thuimbnails for you but they can be quite compressed
[02:53] zoeyoung_: vpip allows you to change the size of the video image
[02:54] zoeyoung_: so artists let them vary according to their tastes
[02:55] zoeyoung_: discussion about what/who resizes
[02:56] zoeyoung_: can someone else make notes awhile please?
[02:56] zoeyoung_: we are in the vpip media entry forms
[02:56] zoeyoung_: and I feel a bit ill..
[02:58] zoeyoung_: they use a jw flash player
[03:00] zoeyoung_: hello hello?
[03:01] zoeyoung_: anyone ere/
[03:01] zoeyoung_: ??
[03:01] zoeyoung_: can change a url or delete items
[03:01] zoeyoung_: from a preview place
[03:02] zoeyoung_: more time intensive than youtubve uopload
[03:02] zoeyoung_: but goves user control over their expeirence
[03:02] zoeyoung_: gives
[03:02] zoeyoung_: which is important to get artsists in
[03:03] zoeyoung_: done some css work to change backgroun d etc
[03:03] zoeyoung_: can turn 'related videos' on or off
[03:03] zoeyoung_: \jay feels whole thing si too diary/bloggy
[03:03] zoeyoung_: which is why they are seeking sketches and wanting the vary themese
[03:03] zoeyoung_: permalinks are important
[03:04] zoeyoung_: to direct people backl to actual vid
[03:04] zoeyoung_: commercial organisations are also thinking about stuff
[03:04] zoeyoung_: flash player that can suck rss, want you to take it and embed it
[03:04] zoeyoung_: looks slick
[03:04] zoeyoung_: but breaks blogging structure
[03:05] zoeyoung_: and permalinks broken with everything elbedded in flash player
[03:05] zoeyoung_: embedded
[03:05] zoeyoung_: not healthy for media ecosystem we are trying to create
[03:05] zoeyoung_: flash getting bigger and bigger
[03:05] zoeyoung_: \last thing to sdhow:
[03:05] zoeyoung_: pledge drive
[03:06] zoeyoung_: have money will vlog
[03:06] zoeyoung_: in jay's community, throwing in money to make wordpress plugins work
[03:07] zoeyoung_: paypal allows donors to put name and link on the page
[03:07] zoeyoung_: so, people get goals to meet, and link backs, the currency of the web
[03:07] zoeyoung_: and people looking at site see who is supportiong your work
[03:07] zoeyoung_: the people in india could live well for $500 a month as a production company
[03:08] zoeyoung_: all of us need to support each other, make it easier to work
[03:08] zoeyoung_: testing pledgedrive now
[03:08] zoeyoung_: not working yet but soon
[03:10] zoeyoung_: pledge drive pluin has fields you have to fill in
[03:10] zoeyoung_: and you as the web person promise what the donor gets in return
[03:11] zoeyoung_: add text and even video explaining what they are doing
[03:11] zoeyoung_: people feewl like they are making a deal
[03:11] zoeyoung_: freespeech tv gets £350,000 per pledge drive now
[03:11] zoeyoung_: in US it is common for the people to pay for their media
[03:12] zoeyoung_: no arts funding like in europe
[03:12] zoeyoung_: blender made movie has a similar model, and if people give more than E250 they get a credit in the film
[03:14] zoeyoung_: helps to have a thermometer on the site, and regular payment options
[03:14] zoeyoung_: podtech paid ryan and jay to shopw their videos
[03:15] zoeyoung_: the deal lasted a year