Video.indymedia IRC Notes

zoeyoung: video.indymedia discuussion\
[10:54] zoeyoung: can anyone else make notes please?
[10:54] zoeyoung: video indymedia needs a lot of tech
[10:55] zoeyoung: was lacking server space
[10:55] zoeyoung: connection between ftp server and cms
[10:55] zoeyoung: couldn't find anything that couild do this
[10:55] zoeyoung: so started to make own verson
[10:55] zoeyoung: this is occam speaking
[10:56] zoeyoung: \servver was seized so pplanned to archive.org
[10:56] zoeyoung: jabber se up server so people used that instead\
[10:56] zoeyoung: lots of video on the brad will video
[10:56] zoeyoung: sorry hits
[10:57] zoeyoung: lots of traffic round events, site has to handle this
[10:57] zoeyoung: so started to develop CMS to provide these kind of servers
[10:57] zoeyoung: aiming ti handle this kind of traffic
[10:57] zoeyoung: then jabber decided to take down the server
[10:57] zoeyoung: gave a year's wanring to move stuff
[10:58] zoeyoung: erabyte of video files
[10:58] zoeyoung: no one had so much disc space
[10:58] zoeyoung: someone had the diiscspace but not the nbadwidth
[10:58] zoeyoung: started to move the files, but only 2 mbit
[10:58] zoeyoung: so couldbn;t priovide download
[10:59] zoeyoung: someone came up with a new mirror, still no bogh bandwidth
[10:59] zoeyoung: big
[10:59] harcesz left the chat room. (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
[10:59] zoeyoung: but downloads are enabled
[10:59] zoeyoung: hiuge amt of data
[11:00] zoeyoung: not easy to provide torrent server for a terabyutee of media
[11:00] zoeyoung: have rto porivide seeder
[11:00] zoeyoung: at least one person
[11:00] zoeyoung: takes a lot of time to run a seeder
[11:00] zoeyoung: computer gets low
[11:00] zoeyoung: can be trouble on small computer
[11:00] zoeyoung: never got it gioing to really use the torret fr vidseo files
[11:01] zoeyoung: not gooing to gio into ttechnical stuff, come to him aftyer about that
[11:01] zoeyoung: wants to focus on ideas, wat is video indymedia
[11:02] zoeyoung: what dio we need, only he is making decisions and he's like to spread that
[11:03] zoeyoung: open pubklishing site, feed shows list oif videos uoploaded by date
[11:03] zoeyoung: v difficult to spam it
[11:05] zoeyoung: proposal to aggregate all the videos and feeds from the network
[11:05] zoeyoung: but some problem with that
[11:08] zoeyoung: needs to be coded
[11:09] zoeyoung: fully searchable aggregator of video feeds with enclosures from allied video publishers
[11:10] zoeyoung: ability to attach or connect to related versions of the same thing
[11:10] zoeyoung: connection to subtitle horse and forthcoming database of online video with fingerprints etc (see subtitle workshop notes)
[11:10] zoeyoung: automatic feed creator based on search creator
[11:10] zoeyoung: sorry
[11:11] zoeyoung: based on search criteria
[11:11] zoeyoung: as seen on radio.indymedia
[11:11] zoeyoung: transcoding into other formats including other 3GP for mobiles and ascii (laughs.. for some reason)
[11:12] zoeyoung: some kind of integration with arcghive.org would be good
[11:12] zoeyoung: to reduce centralisation
[11:13] zoeyoung: spare bandwidth available with harcesz, occam can helop woth set p
[11:13] zoeyoung: question of moderation
[11:13] zoeyoung: currently a list of all kind of videos
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[11:16] zoeyoung: some way to decentralise control and moderation
[11:16] zoeyoung: rating system
[11:16] zoeyoung: reporting for potebntial moderation
[11:17] zoeyoung: risk of spammers self-moderating
[11:17] zoeyoung: proposal to decentralise moderation based on keywords etc in metadata tro draw in other activist communities
[11:18] zoeyoung: question of moderation and that people prefer to upload video and news to their local imc\
[11:19] zoeyoung: if video.indymedia was purely aggreghation site, then moderation could be doine at local level and then good feeds sent to global
[11:20] zoeyoung: though people may wish to upload low res to local imc, and high res to global
[11:20] zoeyoung: need to conect this info
[11:20] zoeyoung: people who made the site were not video people, just wanted tio have high quality videos
[11:21] zoeyoung: occam has no propblem with changing it
[11:21] zoeyoung: ben would like to see integration at level of the publishing tool in local sites
[11:22] zoeyoung: so if you have a vid to publish at local site, the upload forms somehow go to video.indymedia as well as local, connection back to local listing
[11:22] zoeyoung: if the system starts to download from rss 2 feeds, should give backlink o story aling with the video
[11:22] zoeyoung: \along
[11:23] zoeyoung: some info and choices about the quality of the video would be good
[11:23] zoeyoung: trojan tv comments,
[11:23] zoeyoung: would be nice to have different language pages as entry oouint for vids ion thos languages
[11:24] zoeyoung: editorial team to highlught th ebetter quality content on the front page
[11:24] zoeyoung: desire to sue ogg
[11:24] zoeyoung: use
[11:24] zoeyoung: tutorials
[11:24] zoeyoung: they are happy to dio half a day moderation
[11:24] zoeyoung: but are not techie
[11:25] zoeyoung: multi-user tagging, and playlists.. make it a channel
[11:25] zoeyoung: people interested in certai issues could make up playlists
[11:26] zoeyoung: extensible tagging so that categories can be structured differwently
[11:26] zoeyoung: occam thinking tio remove current category system and use tags
[11:27] zoeyoung: clara says why not have both, to allow some organisation
[11:27] zoeyoung: let people write what they want but avoid information overkill
[11:28] zoeyoung: flickr pool proposal, a bit like taggibng...?
[11:28] zoeyoung: calendar function...?
[11:29] zoeyoung: connection to screening database
[11:29] zoeyoung: simon can share docs from the process
[11:29] zoeyoung: and can in theory gebnerate an ical like syndication
[11:30] zoeyoung: indymedia calwendar needs ical feeds
[11:31] zoeyoung: now prioritisation
[11:31] zoeyoung: aggregation of feeds
[11:32] zoeyoung: doesn't need to be the same tech that pulls in feeds of data searchably as what hosts screening quality video
[11:33] zoeyoung: strategy that does the least work to get best results, uses existing tools developed
[11:33] zoeyoung: openness to change the system totally
[11:34] zoeyoung: v2v uses bittorrent for uploading
[11:35] zoeyoung: proposal for ongoing communication on this:
[11:35] zoeyoung: video indymedia list
[11:36] zoeyoung: video.indymedia.org
[11:36] zoeyoung: lists.indymedia.org
[11:40] rotesocke: can we make a plan about what exactly is needed right now? like a step-by-step programme that makes collaborative effort possible... do we need server/bandwidth first? what is the next step that can be done, if this is accomplished...[11:47] zoeyoung: announcements
[11:47] zoeyoung: please propose the plan!!
[11:48] zoeyoung: bandwidth is not needed if the site is tio be rebuilt as aggregator first and foremost\
[11:48] zoeyoung: plan for amsterdam people to meet
[11:51] zoeyoung: call out for people interested in aggregators to look at http://ifiwatch.tv for lessons, suggest better options or improvements for this approach